|
Volmer - Kopenka |
|
Zip or Sieb Families of the Volga Village Volmer (Vollmer) |
|
Member of the American Historical Society of Germans from Russia. This site is owned by Angela Gartner. |
|
Family historians researching their Sieb or Zip ancestors may have been confused or discouraged by their findings in the available census records. I think that my discovery of the different ways this family name has been translated my help. In September or 2006 I was contacted by Marina Plieva from Vladikavkaz, Russia and she believes that the correct translation of this family name should be Zin.
I have been contacted by a Zip family researcher and through checking the records available to me I have come to the following conclusions:
Facts:
1766 Volmer Oringal Settlers List: Franz Sieb 31, (in 1766) was a Catholic farmer from Kurmainz, Geperkh [Hepberg? Depending on how you translate it] He arrived on July 18, 1766 with his wife Catharina, 21 and their two children; Johann Jacob, 2, and Anna Margaretha, 3.
1798 Schuck Census: Franz Zip [Zipp] is found in this document and I concluded that he is same man as above because: Franz’s birth year is with in 5 years. Franz’s wife’s name is also Katherina and her birth year is with in 2 years. There is a note of Franz’s deceased son—Johannes Jakob’s wife living in the house hold. Franz’s and Katherina’s children living in this home in 1798 were: Johannes Michael Peter Rosina Magdalena
I am fairly confident that the Sieb and Zip family are one of the same. While exploring this family further I found the following:
1834 Volmer Census: There are two Sieb households listed, and all three of Franz’s sons are listed. Johannes, wife, 3 sons and 6 daughters living in the household Peter, wife, 1 son and 4 daughters living in the household Michael, died with no mention of children
1850 Volmer Census: Johannes is listed as died, he had 2 sons, which one died, and a daughter who remained living in this household. Peter is listed along with his wife, 1 son and 4 daughters. There is mention of his brother Michael as having died, and there is no mention of Michael having children.
There is no evidence indicating that the males from this family moved to any other villages. It also appears that the girls married with in the colony because if they married a man from another village there was usually mention of it in the 1798 Census. As for the 1834 and 1850 census I did not find Zip or Sieb name as a maiden name for anyone. I hope this will shed some light on your research!
I left out some birth dates and names since not all the rights to the documents belong to me. The 1798 Volmer Census is available for purchase through the AHSGR and the 1834 and 1850 Volmer Census can be purchased through me (see below for links). All can be viewed for free at one of our AHSGR meetings in Edmonton. I would be more than happy to discuss your research either at one of our meeting or via email. For more information about the AHSGR in Edmonton please email me and I can fill you in.
|
|
Alternate spelling:
Zip, Zipp, Sieb, Seib, Sib
Marina Plieva from Vladikavkaz, Russia believes that the correct translation of this name should be:
Zin |
|
If anyone has anything to add to this page please email me and I would be happy to add it.
|
|
Below are lists of the Zip or Sieb villagers that left Russia |
|
Families that Stayed in Russia
|
|
Steve Zip from North Carolina |
|
|
Steve Zip from North Carolina has conducted some initial research. Steve’s dad, grandfather and great-grandfather all have lived in Saskatchewan, Canada. He was also told that Martin Zip, his great-grandfather, was orphaned at an early age and was adopted by a Ukrainian family who let him keep his family name.
Steve found his great-grandfather in the 1905 Census for Saskatchewan, District 212, Prince Albert. From this document Steve learned Martin’s wife’s name was Pauline and she was born in 1871 . Steve has since found out that Pauline’s name was actually Polly, not Pauline. Her full name was Paryanka Zavisliuk. Steve has also found that Martin was not born in March 1864, as earlier believed. Steve obtained a Martin’s birth certificate which gives September 11, 1863 as the correct date and also reveals Martin’s name was Valenty. According to the Baptism Certificate, Valenty’s grandparents were Jacob Zip and Dorothy Block (father’s side) and Nicholas Harlos and Barbara Tiefeu (mother’s side).
Early in life, Martin’s (Valenty’s) mother died and his father Martin placed him for adoption. His foster parents changed Steve’s grandfather's name from Valenty to Martin and taught him the language and ways of the Ukrainian people. Grandfather Martin retained his Austrian mother tongue.
Martin (Valenty) Zip took for a bride Polly (Paryanka) Zavisliuk. Their first child was William, who was born July 28, 1889. Prior to coming to Canada, three other children were born- Nettie, John and Anne. At the age of 39 years, in the year 1902, Martin and Polly immigrated to Canada and settled in the Tway district. This was to be their home till 1924 when they moved to Yellow Creek, Sask.
Martin (Valenty) Zip arrived to Canada with Austrian papers in 1902. He also had a son, John Zip who was born 1895. Steve noted that according to Martin Zip’s birth certificate they were from Stoyaniw, Ukraine which at that time was a part of Galacian, Austria. The document also indicated that Martin was baptized in a Evangelical (Lutheran) Church in the Jozefow district, which he believes to be near the town of Stojaniv (Stoyaniv, Stojanow) in present day Ukraine.
|
Interestingly, there was also a Bill Zip who also arrived in 1902, not married, and was born July 1889. Steve is pretty sure that this is William (Martin’s (Valenty) Zip and Polly’s son).
Jacob Zip (b: ? - d: ?) and Dorothy Block (b: ? - d: ?) both said to be Austrian
Martin Zip (b: ? - d: ?) and Elizabeth Harlos (b: ? - d: ?) (Her parents were: Nicholas Harlos and Barbara Tiefeu)
Children: (Valenty)Martin Zip (b: Sep 11, 1863—d: ?) in Stoyaniw, Ukraine (then a part of Galizien, Austria) Wife: Paryanka (Polly) Zavisliuk (b: 1871—d: ?)
Children: William Zip (b: Jul 28, 1889—d: ?) John Zip (b: 1895—d: ?) Nettie Zip (b: ? - d: ?) Anne Zip (b: ? - d: ?)
Steve has found out that Martin Zip had a homestead near Yellow Creek , Saskatchewan . There is a book that his dad, Michael Zip, has with a better chronology: Our pride and heritage : History of Yellow Creek and the surrounding school districts of Hazel Lake, Rhona Lake, Stoneless, Tarnopol, New Tarnopol, Yellow Creek
Steve is hoping that maybe there is a connection to our Volmer Sieb (Zip) family and his. Steve and I both wonder if the Zip name could have also come from (or been tied to) the area in eastern Slovakia --- the Upper Zips regions. Steve believes they are known as the Zipser Saxons. He also believes the Sieb name is from Saxony (see link http://www.houseofnames.com/coatofarms_details.asp?sId=&s=sieb). If anyone has any information for Steve please email him! Steve Zip or email me.
Thanks,
|